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Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Longasc

I want a good game, and if I like a game, then it does not matter to me if it has a fee or not. I can pay the usual fee charged by MMORPGs without problems.

I play(ed) GW1 because I liked the approach, away from itemization and level grind, not because it was free.

While I technically also could afford to pay such games, it would keep me asking myself "Is it worthwhile?" - I would feel the "need" to play, to make it "pay out".

So, while I don't see "no fees" as a reason to play a game, I see "fees" as a reason to not play it. I usually take the radical stance of not even considering, but even if a game was so good that I had to consider, a fee would still count against the pros of the game.

I agree with you on your last part, though. I liked the approach as well. It wasn't the cheaper game to me, but actually the better one.

Arwen Shiningstar · Apr 03, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Here is my take on this…. monthly fee = less lag. I have played both WoW and GW. The lag in WoW is almost no existent. No rubber banding, its great. The servers are maintained every week. Thankfully I have a very good job and can afford the $15 monthly fee. (I mean really $15 is not a lot). I played GW for a very long time, I have 2 accounts, both with all 3 campaigns, extra character slots. So far WoW has been a lot cheaper for me even thou it has a monthly fee. I mean come on 50 character slots that going to be hard to beat. The whole topic is quite pointless really GW is for the casual gamer and WoW is not. If you want to play something intense play WoW, if you want to play something on the weekend play GW. There is a perfect crowd for each and they should be able to live side by side.

Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

GW has cornered the no monthly fee market while still just a few less dollars than WoW with the monthly fees over 1 year.

Just to clarify, are you somehow comparing WoW's $180 a year in monthly fees (not even counting Burning Crusades) to the MAX $100* you've spent on Guild Wars in one year? (not to mention, you don't need to buy any more Chapters for Guild Wars.)

*Prophecy 2005; Factions + Nightfall 2006; Eye of the North 2007 (expansion, not Chapter).

Arwen Shiningstar · Apr 03, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Just to clarify, are you somehow comparing WoW's $180 a year in monthly fees (not even counting Burning Crusades) to the MAX $100* you've spent on Guild Wars in one year? (not to mention, you don't need to buy any more Chapters for Guild Wars.)

*Prophecy 2005; Factions + Nightfall 2006; Eye of the North 2007 (expansion, not Chapter).

Oh $180 dollars you must not have purchase the 6 month subscription. That brings it to $136 a year. It not really about money all the time. I would much rather pay a more for a steak than $1 for a fast food burger. WoW is constantly adding stuff for your monthly fee. So one expansion in a couple of years is not that bad. Another thing that great about WoW is no favor.

PS I spent way more than $100 max in one year. I came in on the ground floor before extra character slots were available. That feature was added much later on after factions, so the only way to play all classes was to purchase an additional account. That comes to $200 plus a year. To keep both accounts current.

Dj Tano · Apr 03, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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The lag in WoW is almost non-existent.

Yea, thats why they call it "world of lagg-craft"...

I also want to add that i have played GW for 15 months now, and it has cost me 120€, and for the same time in WoW i wouldve had to pay 235€ (without BC) or 275€ (with BC)...

Arwen Shiningstar · Apr 03, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Hmmm err 7 FTL

Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Arwen Shiningstar

Oh $180 dollars you must not have purchase the 6 month subscription. That brings it to $136 a year.

I don't, and never would, spend a monthly fee on a video game. IMO, once you buy a game, you should be able to play it. Period.

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Originally Posted by Arwen Shiningstar

PS I spent way more than $100 max in one year. I came in on the ground floor before extra character slots were available. That feature was added much later on after factions, so the only way to play all classes was to purchase an additional account. That comes to $200 plus a year. To keep both accounts current.

My point is, that's your choice. If you think WoW is a better value, that's fine.

But you could have been playing Guild Wars Prophecy for over 2 years now for $50. That's a fact.

You can't do that with any other MMORPG.

Eventually, maybe Guild Wars could offer a premium service for those willing to play a monthly fee. But I don't think the majority of players would go for that. In any case, let's put up a poll to settle this.

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Hmmm err 7 FTL

I cleared up my Err 7 problems by cleaning out my cache. Hasn't been a problem since.

Say, how long did it take for WoW to fix their "waiting in que" problems? Must have been annoying not to be able to play a game you're paying monthly for.

Arwen Shiningstar · Apr 03, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Never had that waiting in a que problem. To each his own. BTW when you purchase GW you are not purchasing a game you are purchasing the right to play on the GW servers.... not the game. If you were in fact purchasing just "a game" you wont need to log into their servers. You can't play GW without logging into thous servers. People get confused about what they are actually purchasing. You can play GW for free as long as the servers are up.

Lonesamurai · Apr 03, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I don't, and never would, spend a monthly fee on a video game. IMO, once you buy a game, you should be able to play it. Period.

QFT!

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

My point is, that's your choice. If you think WoW is a better value, that's fine.

But you could have been playing Guild Wars Prophecy for over 2 years now for $50. That's a fact.

You can't do that with any other MMORPG.

Actually, Archlord is a free MMO too

Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Arwen Shiningstar

BTW when you purchase GW you are not purchasing a game you are purchasing the right to play on the GW servers.... not the game. If you were in fact purchasing just "a game" you wont need to log into their servers. You can't play GW without logging into thous servers. People get confused about what they are actually purchasing. You can play GW for free as long as the servers are up.

Seriously, what was the point of that? Have GWs servers been down and I haven't noticed?

Yes, GW is a MMORPG and requires servers.... so does every other MMORPG. The difference is, I don't have to pay any extra fees to play on Guild Wars servers (besides my normal internet fees... duh).

Lonesamurai: Archlord is free? Cool, didn't know that. Heard it sucked though.

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Lonesamurai: Archlord is free? Cool, didn't know that. Heard it sucked though.

Although I'm not Lone Samurai, I can confirm that. It started as game with fees, but the fees have been taken out. I think they offer some sort of premium system though. At least when I played in the Betas, I had some points and a possibility to recharge them by paying, if I remember correctly. Points for getting stuff, that is.
I cannot give my opinion on how the game is, though. Only played it for a couple of hours.

There have been other free MMOs, even graphical ones, but Archlord is currently the only other (besides GW) commercially produced, yet fee-free game of that type that I know so far.

I had, by the way, a very mediocre experience while testing WoW. And that was, although I was on one of the recommended (because rather empty) servers. Not to mention the one take on one of the rather old (and full) ones to be able to play with a friend.
I never had greater problems with GW. And even smaller ones are rather rare for me.

BlackSephir · Apr 03, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Add ads!

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2387/gw141xc7.jpg

Problem solved $$$
ka-ching!

EternalTempest · Apr 03, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I do remember about archlord going free (and seeing stores trying to unload the subscription 30/60 day cards before people knew it was going to change).

I did check out several reviews and game to the following conclusion
Pro - Good Graphics
Cons
Insane Boring "Grinding"
Missions -> Kill or Transport X
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/archlord/review.html

I *wanted* to like try this game.... but after reading multiple reviews..

I do think that GW2 will add paid content in modular format, new zone, new area for new skills but keep the "core" the "core" of the game. Keeps the players in central areas and not spread them to thin.

Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Add ads!

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2387/gw141xc7.jpg

Problem solved $$$
ka-ching!

I'd rather pay a monthly fee! (That's a "no", then

)

I don't understand why people think there's a problem with the present system! Anet makes content we like, we'll buy it and support them to make more content we like.

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Definite no to the ads. Sorry. Nice work, though.

On Archlord: I found the graphics rather poor compared to the system specs required.

Edit: I support Mordakais opinion on the present system. Optional buyable content FTW!

BlackSephir · Apr 03, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Hey, I was kidding ~~ I don't like ads either
I think this system we have now (or rather- we had) is great... Leave it as it is

Mordakai · Apr 03, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Hey, I was kidding ~~ I don't like ads either
I think this system we have now (or rather- we had) is great... Leave it as it is

Ahh good! I figured as much (the picture from the link was so obnoxious!)

As for the way "Expansions" (or whatever they're going to call them) will work in GW2 - I don't think even Anet knows the details yet.

It has to be enough content to justify the cost; but they've already said they don't want to "re-invent" the world every 6 months.

They can't really raise the level cap with each expansion, because then they stop being optional and start to be forced upgrades to continue playing (going against the cardinal rule: No hidden fees).

They are not going to have new Professions, apparently (although this could change... I liked seeing the new professions, even if i didn't play them). They might have new Races, but if Races have skills, won't those be like semi-professions anyway?

Honestly, the biggest danger is that Guild Wars 2 is such a perfect game, there would be no reason to buy any more content. True, such an outcome is unlikely, and the more popular GW2, then the more popular its expansions will be as well.

It will be interesting to see how often the "expansions" come, what they cost, and what they contain. Oddly enough, none of that stuff will stop me from buying Guild Wars 2!

Demilikos · Apr 03, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Yesterday I reopened my WoW account that was inactive since April 26, 2005 (it was a means to keep me occupied till GW's launch). Immediately I noticed that the game didn't lag like it did back then. I was so happy and then I reserved my entire night for WoW (cancelling appointments and such). I go on, and out of the blue the menu screen tells me they're shutting down all five thousand servers at once for maintenance. So I wait the eight hours they had scheduled. Alas, my server (Gorgonnash PvP) is delayed. :/

Lame. They did this frequently back then and I can only hope this was a rare occasion.

Anyway, one reason I play online games is so I can interact with my real life friends since a good number of them are gamers. The great thing about GW is, you can chat with ANYONE and you can pretty much meet up fairly quick through map travel. In WoW, if you find out your friend has a lvl 68 Blood Elf Paladin and you have a lvl 70 Dwarf Hunter and you'd like to raid together, not only are you not able to communicate (horde vs alliance), but maybe your friends on one of the other hundred servers. And even then, the servers get split to Normal, PvP, RP, and PvP RP. I won't bother with the actual probability, but I like how in GW you know you'll be able to meet up on the fly no matter what. Anet said that in GW2 you'll be able to change servers with ease. That'll be a big selling factor for me, as well as the no monthly fee of course (so your friends get enticed, or b-day gifts to em?).

Caith-Avar · Apr 03, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Demilikos

The great thing about GW is, you can chat with ANYONE and you can pretty much meet up fairly quick through map travel. [...] I like how in GW you know you'll be able to meet up on the fly no matter what. Anet said that in GW2 you'll be able to change servers with ease. That'll be a big selling factor for me, as well as the no monthly fee of course (so your friends get enticed, or b-day gifts to em?).

This - being able to play with everyone at any time without a hassle - has been named multiple times as one of the key concepts. I agree with you heartily, and I, too, have read that they will keep some sort of map-travel and that the different worlds will act more like the different districts in nowadays GW.

ac0okiemonst3r · Apr 03, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

totally correct my friend, WoW is over rated and i see too amyn ppl on GW saying how much better WoW is, and i ask them, " then why arent you playing it?"
"Got banned" so i guess all the child molesters get banned from WoW =D